Shellnut also draws on Messiah College historian John Feas description of these independent fundamentalist Baptists, so lets turn to that. By way of justifying infant "training" and the continued "submission of the will" of children, IFB parents point to these lines in The Book of Proverbs: "To Train Up a Child," by fundamentalist Christian minister Michael Pearl and his wife Debi, is very popular within the IFB. . They sent their kids to Bob Jones and Pensacola the only choices permitted to them. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? Generally speaking howe. Thou shalt leave for camp on Monday morning and return on Saturday afternoon, as thou must be able to give a long, tearful testimony at the church service on Sunday morning (exhaustion is of the devil). I thank God for that newspaper and what it has done for His children. I know that they are KJV only and Arminian. All of the above were part of the unwritten code at my Fundy church 40 years ago. I surrendered to preach, and was called to the Lord's ministry as a result of growing up in an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church. We took sweet fellowship together. BITE Model. (And yes, martial arts are ok, even though they originated from Asian sources; well win those yellow devils to Jesus, eventually). The Lordship controversy and misrepresenting the Lordship preachers. 5.) Thou shalt not eat at a restaurant on Sunday. Oh, did I mention we were homeschooled and socially retarded. Pendleton (1811-1891). although it is rushed and depends on the persons' response. It's chief spokesman was J.R. Graves (1820-1893) and other key early figures include A.C. Dayton (1813-1865) and J.M. And not to tell anyone. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times You loved them in that (and a million other) ways. Mullins knew that he had faculty problems, Sampey did, Fuller did, McCall did . IndependentBaptist.com was founded in an attempt to bring back the principles that lifted our movement in the 60's and 70's and that need to be revived in this day. Next time? I remember one of the missionary wives who was married to the man who used to be a division leader in the bus ministry at hac and fbc and I always thought she looked and dressed so incredibly homely, almost as if she walked straight out of Little House on the Prairie set. You dont report to police because the pastor is the ultimate authority, not the government.. The name Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is used traditionally by churches which pattern themselves strictly after the example of the early church, as found in the New Testament. Every Evangelical sect/church/pastor/evangelist/missionary/congregant has their own rules they think are Biblical. You just dont like this particular list of rules because they run counter to your Biblical list. I may yet end up in Hell myself, but I wont see you there, nor will you see me. (1)"I put him on the "auto trash" list because he never offers anything that is edifying, or even Biblical, but just his snide remarks and liberal/protestant opinions!" (2) "You are not my brother. The philosophy is you dont air your dirty laundry in front of everyone. If you spend any time covering sexual abuse story, any belief that congregations are never complicit in abuse and cover-up goes evaporates quickly. Thou shalt always obey the speed limit, EXCEPT when the Pastor says it is Gods will that thou shalt go 10-20 miles over the speed limit so as not to miss lunch at camp. Thou shalt believe in pre-millennial rapture unless your pastor believes in post-millennial rapture. The biggest difference would be in the way they practice separation. Dented, maybe, a little -- but definitely not broken. Independent fundamental Baptist churches include those loosely affiliated in fellowships more common in the North as well as those whose pastors may share particular networksmore common in the South Central Baptist Theological Seminary professor Kevin Baudertold Quick to Listenfor the CT podcasts explainer on such churches. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards. See her report here: Hundreds Accuse Independent Baptist Pastors of Abuse.. Here are the 5 key issues that have hurt the Independent Baptist world in some cases, as well as greatly damaging the lives of some believers: A Failure To Adequately Preach The Bible When our preaching goes backward, the whole apple cart rocks and soon turns over. If you need to flag this entry as abusive. There's something going on that wasn't here before. The Baptist church started in the 17th century in America. I escaped when I was about 20 and went to the world. Hyles flight to safety has become a well-worn path for ministers in the independent fundamental Baptist movement. But, I have a few, from the legendary Dr Bob of Longview: Thou shalt watch football on Monday night. The one thing I do want to say for anyone just making their way out of the darkness of IFB is this: that you once so thoroughly bought into IFB is a sign of your strength, not your weakness. And hold him there until he is surrendered. You have left them now to themselves, and stepped into your own world. And what can possibly be more worthy of a person's love than God and family? Every church we went to was full of fucking pedophiles and rapists. I never understood it. It is a Bible Baptist church. And there are Baptist ch. Young-earth creationism, premillennial dispensationalism, and fervent support for segregation are also not core doctrines that could be found among Christians before the 19th century or anywhere outside of IFBs parochial American context. It wasnt long before I traveled the road to liberal Christian to agnostic atheist. It was beyond comprehension in my little brain back then. Students may be expelled at any time, for any reason, if the president of the school deems the reason sufficient (my 2nd grade brother was expelled for defiance). Pastors think if they keep it on the down-low, it wont impact anyone. According to the Pew Forum on Religious and Public Life, there are. I really want to write a book or start a podcast about all this shit at some point. Think, learn, and dont be a judgmental asshole. Will you join us? Fundies forget that God can do a sudden I have changed my mind crazy Ivan on them at any moment. The Bible has plenty in it of rules, and I doubt someone who believes in a burning hell forever can really get a supposed love message across. He speaks for God, and God alone may judge him. That is their unforgiveable sin. I spent thousands and thousands of hours reading and studying the Bible. The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the 1920s. We were you at one time. Women not wearing pants, women not working, women being not allowed to speak up in church, have any sort of leadership role, etc. In Christ alone. I sometimes post on another board and (hopefully its ok) I would like to link a thread that is going on over there. KJV-onlyism is certainly not a core doctrine of the Christian faith for any Christian who doesnt speak English. In New York, a couple of Greek Orthodox nuns are protesting the reinstatement of a priest to a parish there after he admitted to unspecified inappropriate conduct with women, and a diocesan spiritual court recommended that he not be returned to that parish. We were informed that the parishioners felt so strongly that they would protest in front of the Archdiocese for the return of their priest, he said. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Cult Survivors. * Maybe some can relate to this cartoon from NAKEDPASTOR. Thou shalt hide this alcohol so the pastor doesnt see it when he visits you because you missed Sunday school due to a hangover. Baptist. A friendly fellowship group for members of local New Testament Independent Baptist churches. I was recently asked to write a few words of support and love for the members of two Facebook groups, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Cult Survivors and Do Right Hyles-Anderson. Especially about another member of the church, said Josh Elliott, a former member of Vineyards Oklahoma City church. Thanks! Autonomy of local churches: each church is independent. She actually got upset! A new website has launched with the aim of helping single New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist (NIFB) find each other for hopes of love and matrimony, with a niche focus and stringent guidelines being a feature, not a bug. This is the Christianity of millions of North Americans. If your reliably unreliable Comcast wifi cuts out, or if your screen-saver kicks in, the paywall will prevent you from finishing the article. God has greatly blessed this ministry, which now averages nearly 3,000 a week in attendance. Thou shalt not work a job as a woman even if thou canst afford the private school and live in a shitty house because your husband spends all his after tax money on the private school and tithing. Bruce is now a humanist and an atheist. Sarah Smith and the other reporters and editors who worked on this deserve great credit and gratitude. See where Im going with this? This is a difficult question to answer because IFB is not a denomination, and each church is independent, but there are Fundamentalist fellowships and congresses which have met on rare occasion and have mentioned Calvinism. Why? If he continues to show defiance by jerking around and defending himself, or by expressing anger, then she will wait a moment and again lecture him and again spank him. After I graduated from that school I didnt wear a skirt for 2 years at my secular university! Shame on you, sir. The items you are questioning are not the "doctrine" of independent fundamental Baptists. The Pew Forum on Religious and Public Life puts IFB members at 2.5 percent of Americans. I am far from perfect. Your pastor is burdened for America & hasnt slept since 1976. Bruce pastored Evangelical churches for twenty-five years in Ohio, Texas, and Michigan. But they also have a high regard for the Bible. The pharmacists priest even told her and her husband to leave the parish, because their presence was causing too much discomfort there. Jackson filed a police report. You're the power. #1. Bruce, you and many of those that comment to your posts are a help to me. And it was, of course, wholly absent among Christians before 1611. Twice in the New Testament, Paul gives long lists of human behaviors that preclude people from inheriting the kingdom of God. Ug, stupid auto correct. Part 2: Southern Baptist churches hired ministers accused of past sex offenses. He was a great man! Escape by Carolyn Jessop. Other than Toledo, the 419 area code is pretty rural. Having studied this group in particular, he provides some excellent background: The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the 1920s. Ernest Willis found guilty of raping teen Tina Anderson, a fellow church member. If you have to sit on him to spank him then do not hesitate. That was weak (cupping ear)..congregation: AMEN (at top of lungs). More: Nevertheless, [Bishop] Andonios [Chancellor of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese] said he decided to reinstate [Father Gerasimos] Makris because parishioners demanded it. People do not like to be made to confront ugly things. Today the name Baptist is used by many churches that are not following the teachings of the New Testament. Stuart Hardy was a youth and music pastor at an independent fundamental Baptist church in Michigan. Why does Jesus need you to speak for him, Cathy? Finally, now, it's time for you to dance to your own song. This post was published on the now-closed HuffPost Contributor platform. Movement. Another rule our Church had not on your list; women shall not cut their hair. And before you move on to other people to evangelize, consider that many former Evangelicals know the Bible inside and out. I would not have returned a clergyman to his former parish after what transpired but out of pastoral sensitivity to the desires of the overwhelming numbers of parishioners who sought his return, he said. For the sake of consistency in training, you must follow through. For years people who have read the satire and parody on the Stuff Fundies Like blog have asked for someone write a companion that not only points out the problems in Baptist Fundamentalism but also . Thou shalt not speak in Sunday morning service if thou be a woman, unless you are the soloist and you want to give thanks and praise to Jesus for the wonderful song. A few members of that church were hard-core, old-school fundies. They really spend too much time debating. Thou shalt not ever drink alcohol, unless its done in secret and confessed as sin on Sunday. What does the description of an "Independent Fundamental Baptist" Church mean? I am certain you are far more intelligent a man than I am, so I do not wish to debate you. Are you saying God is a legalist? Dispensationalism is common among Independent Baptists. Image Conscious And if they failed to treat that greatest of gifts with the sacrosanct respect it deserves, then shame on them. Thus the words "Independent" and "Fundamental . By David J. Stewart. So there is some good to the IFB movement. We were in that same space somewhere between fundamentalism and CT-style evangelicalism that Jerry Falwell Sr. found himself in. Thou shalt be baptized by full immersion in this particular denomination of church, preferably this specific church, otherwise it might have been a false baptism that didnt take. IFB takes the "I" in its title extremely seriously; they are nothing if not independent. Maybe you would. KJV was the only Bible in English, and that is the stand I intend to die on. He might not be guilty of the allegation, but notice how the church network is still allowing a man publicly accused of sexual abuse to minister. https://www.nakedpastorstore.com/blogs/news/adoring-pastors. He witnessed the same authoritarian approach. So, down through the centuries, the . Way over the edge. Holly Meyer/AP. al. He will kick you out of church and put you on church discipline for 6 months, after which you will be restored as a brother. I cant for the life of me understand why, disgruntled as you are, you would go out of your way to take a personal hand in someones trip to eternal punishment. They cant even follow their own bible when it contradicts their dogma. I remember thinking what an idiot he was. No other part of the anatomy (e.g. Oh my. Those independent Baptist churches which teach, as very many of them do, that the God-given inspired word of God is the King James Version typically teach that every other translation of the Bible is part of a conspiracy to remove the King James Bible, the ONLY real Bible, from our churches. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches believe that the authority to baptize was given to the first church, organized by our Savior. Let me stress here at the beginning that this is not about churches affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention; those Baptist churches are thought to be too liberal by the independent fundamentalists. Addendum: Thousand shalt not even THINK about piercing ANYTHING below the waste! The fundamentals first, then warp the bible to fit the fundamentals, and all gods people said.amen. On the bare legs or bottom, switch him eight or ten licks; then, while waiting for the pain to subside, speak calm words of rebuke. Shaking my head, wishing I had gotten out of that place sooo much sooner than we did, you know when I shouldve used my own brain and listened to my gut. For a woman to be pleasing to God she must always and in all things remain perfectly submissive, first to her father and then to her husband. I have tried to overlook them, but they won't go away. Please read the commenting rules before commenting. Accept no conditions for surrender. I grew up with kids who were in churches like that one. All of us, Christians and atheists alike, have lists of rules by which we govern our lives, and often judge the lives of others. There is no appreciable moral distinction between homosexuality and bestiality, incest, child molestation or rape. In any case, we are definitely living in the end times before the 2nd coming of Christ. These other distinctions, distinctives and emphases all serve, in varying degrees, as proxies for that.). Golden State Baptist College - Is a ministry of North Valley Baptist Church of Santa Clara, California. 7 reviews. * This paywall nonsense is unnecessary, counter-productive, and really disrespectful of the papers investigative team. Learn More. Preacherboys should watch it in the college gym; anywhere else is worldly. You loved, and loved, and loved some more. And screw 'em if they do. Even my Southern Baptist Church wasnt this strict! I subjected myself to such rules for decades, believing I was obeying God. Excerpt: Stories like that display a Roman Catholic problem, right? That hide it under terms like order and discipline in order to enforce it. For this reason IFB churches vigorously renounce the idea that IFB constitutes a denomination: each church, they hold, is a kingdom unto itself and obliged to cooperate with exactly no other church body, IFB or otherwise. Thou shalt not molest children, and if ye do thou shalt confess it to the pastor so he can hide it from the police and threaten the congregation into silence. Trieber took his glasses off. They kept what they needed. The Black Baptist preachers affiliated with the SBC aren't proclaiming a Black Jesus, railing against white racism, or demanding reparations from white Baptists. You trusted. The American Ideas Institute is a nonprofit, non-partisan 501(c)(3) organization based in Washington, D.C. 2022 The American Conservative, a publication of The American Ideas Institute. Sorted by: 1. Are you saying Paul and Jesus are legalists? Human nature is a destructive force. They used you as fodder in the war between themselves and everything they fear.